I only used it on one shoot with a 100 yard zero and some hold over so I have minimal experience with it in the pd towns. I've never owned a 223, but I've owned and shot several Hornets, including a .17 and a .22 Ackley improved. That's getting way out there and I'd rather be a bit closer, but for sure you can do up to 250 on most small game. Recently got two Sakos, one in 222 the other in 222Mag and will be working on having a good time with both. No one can dispute that the .223 is a far more powerful round but as said above .223 vs .22 hornet is apples vs oranges.Variety is the spice of life and both calibers have a pride of place in my gun cabinet in the form of a Browning X-BOLT IN .223 and my CZ527 Hornet. The 17 Hornet is an economical, fun .17 caliber centerfire cartridge with way more “reach” than a 17 HRM or 22 WMR. For target shooting, I could go for either, but the 223 definitely works better in the 200-400 yard range whereas the 17 HMR and 22 WMR get tossed around with wind and drop quite a bit more at those ranges. If I could have only one rifle it'd be a 204. Ammo price about the same. I've not had a chance to shoot the Hornet at distances over 200 yet but that is coming. Hornady produces two rounds; a 20g V-Max or polymer tipped bullet and a 15.5g NTX bullet. Which means you can crank up the scope and spot your own hits. huntfishtrap ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Join Date: Jun 2009; Posts: 2506; Share Tweet #7. Same C.O.L. Heck find a used Stevens 200 or a old savage .223 and order a barrel already chambered by shilen. No matter, 125 yards is about all you can expect out of them. Being able to find inexpensive ammo anywhere does though. The much hyped 17 Hornet calibre as designed by Hornady arrived in the UK last year. 17 HMR-Alexander Arms: The Alexander Arms .17 HMR is an advanced rifle with a very interesting design, great abilities, and features. The result was a small case with relatively little noise capable of high velocity. 07-05-2017, 12:48 AM. You should be able to find something you really like. It doesn't heat up quite as fast as a 204. Find the Hunting Gear guy on YouTube, © The 17 Hornet is 700 fps faster so should work farther. One set for 400 yds. Love that little Hornet round - it really does a number on smaller game and all while being relatively quiet and without any muzzle jump. Between the two I'd go for the Hornet unless there's a.17 HMR you really like. The Hornet is a Hornady or nobody proposition and won't be everywhere. But, when 39-40 grain bullets are used, the 204 will reach way out there. The 17 or 22 rimfires are about the minimum for coyote-sized varmints, but there is a lot of room between the 17 HMR and the 17 Rem, and lots of good bullets. They are both fantastic shooters, easily doing sub-moa groups with factory Hornady ammo. when loaded with the 55-gr. Although it shares the name and pays homage to it, the .17 Hornet is a very different thing from the .22 Hornet. It is interesting that the 17's were not as effected by wind as one would think during these shoots. By the way, as a result of the 17hmr and the 204 I now enjoy the 22 rimfires and the .223 more than I did before. The .223 is marginal for coyotes, and it packs more punch than the .17s. Alan mentioned a range of 125, but I think that is way too conservative an estimate. Having owned the 17 hmr Id rather shoot the 17 hornet. The more you shoot at the long distances we're talking about the better your results. On a coyote with a 6″ vitals area, Maximum Point Blank Range or MPBR for short, is handy to compare how flat they shoot and how far you can smack a yote without having to adjust your reticle or point of aim. The sister magnum rimfires are around $0.40/round, while basic 223 ammo is about the same cost and it can be reloaded for quite a bit less. The .17 Hornet, also known as the .17 Ackley Hornet, is a .17 caliber centerfire rifle wildcat cartridge originally made by P.O. I can only imagine the range of the 17Hornet is significantly better for small critters. I once took a PD at 1000 yards with my 25-06 when we used to shoot at the Rosebud (don't think my eyes are up to it now), also took a PD at 700 with a 222 at the same local. If there ever was a cult classic varmint cartridge it's the .22 Hornet, a cartridge that can trace its factory roots back to the 1930s. This post was edited on 8/10 at 10:00 am. Fueled with Superformance propellent, the 17 Hornet Superformance Varmint is economically priced, and delivers the trajectory of a traditional 55 gr 223 load, but is a pleasure to shoot with the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. Replies (4) Share: 0 0. When I checked a few years ago the Cooper was a single shot and the CZ has a five shot magazine. Others may disagree. What are you going to be using it for? When the V-Max .22 Mag load is zeroed at 100 yards it drops almost that same amount at just 200 yards. The group we shot with included Walt Berger and other big names in shooting. Lower cost and comparable quality to the 17 Fireball and 223 Rem. It's usually a pretty hard hit even then. That would help us make suggestions. I would pull the trigger on a fox if armed with a standard .22 Hornet in SP, but am not sure about the .17 Hornet loaded with V-Max. These were all witnessed by friends. With a 40 grain bullet, the 22WMR sends it along at 1880 fps. I haven’t fired nearly enough rounds through my 17 HMR to kill the accuracy in the barrel and from my reading, it’ll take a while: about 15,000 rounds to start seeing accuracy dip in a 17HMR or 22WMR. driving a 55gn bullet at 3200fps sighted-in 50mm high at 100 metres for a 200 metre zero, shows 25mm more drop at 250 than the .17 Hornet but retains 565 ft/lb of energy which gives it over twice as much hitting power as the .17 Hornet at that distance. As for other options one of the bigger.22 centerfire cartridges (bigger than the Hornet) would be a good choice. The Hornet load, when zeroed at 200 yards, drops 17.1 inches at 300 yards. How far do you intend to shoot? You might find this odd, but this is the primary reason I don’t use a .223 for gophers. That means 17 HMR and 22 WMR are around twice the sound power compared with 22LR, and 223 is 3 times louder than 17HMR/22WMR. .17 hornet vs. the .223 Rem felt recoil isn't enough to matter. I like the 17 Hornet but do not really call it my coyote gun but would use it if under 100 yds. The .17 Hornet has virtually no recoil, and is plenty accurate enough for head shots. So I opt for the quieter 17 HMR or a 22LR. I once took a PD at 1000 yards with my 25-06 when we used to shoot at the Rosebud (don't think my eyes are up to it now), also took a PD at 700 with a 222 at the same local. Please re-enable javascript to access full functionality. Heck, I've taken a coyote at a range-findered 200 yards (the one below) and it only managed to move 10 or 15 yards before expiring. There’s really no clear cut winner here, but instead the right cartridge for the job. Starting out, the 22WMR and 17HMR are around 250-320 ft-lbs, but they’re just not comparable to the centerfire 223 at 1200 ft-lbs of power. .17 WSM vs. .223/5.56 Posted by CoastieGM on 8/10/13 at 9:49 am. Even in a full-value, 10-m.p.h. The 17 Hornet is 700 fps faster so should work farther. If your looking for out to the 300 yard area, I would go with the 223. But, they are apples and the 17hmr, .204 and 17 hornet are oranges. The fields I shoot on belong to land owners and I don’t want to piss them off with loud gunfire. at 300 yards and can hit with regularity. You can see that the 17 Hornet’s trajectory (blue line) is almost an identical match for the larger .223 Rem (red line) all the way out to 400 yards or so. I've killed them at 500 and beyond with a 223 but my hits per rounds fired drops as I begin to reach out beyond 400 particularly in the wind. jmo. A 17 Hornady Hornet will be my next toy and I expect it will do a good job on coyotes and a better one on prairie dogs. I have the .17 Hornet and a .223. When ya get too good try it with a smaller caliber....but just have fun. Sean, I hunted with a guy who took a prairie dog at 1000 yards with a 223. We had an event this past Saturday and I took out my Armalite A2 in 416 Barret and if you really want to reach out I vote for it at $9.00 overtime you pull the trigger.....LOL. V-Max, and the.17 Hornet has a mild report and nil recoil, too. Match shooters who use 223 change barrels over at around 5000 rounds, but those barrels probably have a ton of life still left in them and may be able to stretch out to 10,000. FNG's will shy away from that. On a coyote with a 6″ vitals area, Maximum Point Blank Range or MPBR for short, is handy to compare how flat they … A 17 HMR will send a bullet that’s half that weight (20 grains) at 2350. We decided that we would limit our shots to what you'd have to consider long shots. or less the other set for 1,000. If you’re looking for yet more speed, check out the 204 Ruger as it sends a 40 grain bullet out at 3900 fps. December 26, 2015, 05:28 PM #4: chris in va. Senior Member . I was able to make 200 yard shots with my 22Hornet on prairie dogs fairly easily, some a little further with 40 grain v-max. 17 Hornet Ammo Fmj And 17 Vs 223 Ammo Best Prices 2018 Ads, Deals and Sales. quack Scout . Perhaps on small game, .17 would leave meat more intact than .223? They offer a different experience. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. The hmr is very … Many times it would take several shots and walk it in for the hit. Reply. Personally, I’m a fan of 223 for coyotes out in Alberta because I see a lot of mid-range shots around 300 yards. The 223 burns a ton more powder than the rimfires, but that comes at a cost of loudness. The 17 Hornet uses about half the weight of powder than the Fireball so the Hornet has a higher ft/sec per grain of powder ratio. Joined May 2, 2012 Messages 621 Location Ohio. So a .17 HMR Hornady Magnum Rimfire round exits the barrel with kinetic energy equal to the energy required for linear vertical displacement of 250 pounds through a one foot distance, while a .22 Hornet round exiting the barrel has energy equal to the amount required to displace 710 pounds over the same one foot distance. Smaller cross section and less time of flight kind of evened it out. Mar 14, 2018 #1 Canhunter35 Well-Known Member. Adriel has been hunting all his life, enjoys shooting 3 gun, is a trainer for Project Mapleseed and tries to apply a practical point of views to his reviews. All the calibers mentioned above are fun, inexpensive to shoot and can reach out so they are all good choices. Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem, but the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. 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